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Level 5
April 12, 2021
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Unemployment Compensation Exemption

  • April 12, 2021
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Proseries changed my "final copy" of clients tax return where client received unemployment without me manually making the change. I did not know Proseries would do this. I have returns that were efiled differently than what my signed 8879 reflected.  I have worked with proseries for 10 years and to my knowledge they have never done this before. Why would Proseries change my return without alerting me that they did this. Once I printed the return I did not open that return again. So Proseries must have made the change (own its own) when the return was efiled. Has anyone else experienced this.

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IRonMaN
Level 15
April 12, 2021

"I have worked with proseries for 10 years and to my knowledge they have never done this before."

They have always done this.  If there is an update after the return was filed, the system will use the most recent update to calculate the tax.  Most of the time updates don't affect the tax, but backing off $10,200 of income at a time will definitely create a change in tax. 

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George4Tacks
Level 15
April 12, 2021

This has happened over the ages. It is very important to be sure that the 8879 you have in hand matches the results that are being sent. 

I case you had not noticed, IRS issued a worksheet to figure the UI. Then a week later they issued a corrected worksheet to figure the UI. 

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dkh
Level 15
April 12, 2021

This year has been a good example as to why you should always have a printed copy or pdf of a return as it was when efiled.        What you are seeing in the return now is happening automatically due to program updates. You will need to determine if the program changes for unemployment happened before or after the returns were efiled.      And may I suggest you have new procedures in place to prevent this from happening.    I do not  allow a return to efile until it is marked "Return ready to EF" .   I do not mark a return "Return ready to EF" until I have matched the signed 8879 with the refund/balance due in the program.  Checks and balances to prevent a potentially embarrassing and costly situation.

Level 3
April 12, 2021

I was functioning under a misconception that NY had accepted the unemployment exemption passed by the Federal government.  I recall clearly visiting the NYS web site and at that time could find no conclusive statement about whether or not the exclusion would apply to NY or if NY would uncouple.   I electronically filed a NYS return for a client and it was accepted on 3/23/21.  The NYS return had a refund due to the client based on the exemption for unemployment income that ProSeries accepted when it was entered.  The client recently receive a letter from NYS adjusting her return, adding back in the $10,200 exemption and asking her to pay a resulting tax.  Subsequently I opened the client's NYS tax return in ProSeries to discover it had been corrected (after efile) to incorporate the unemployment income in full and calculate correctly the tax due.  Yes, I always print a copy of the tax return for my client and for my file before I efile and apparently that is a good practice. 

I revisited the NYS site and searched on-line to learn from an article from "Money" that as of April 7 the NYS Budget office continued to expected taxpayers to pay tax on the Federal exempted $10,200.  It took a bit of digging to determine.  I thought NY should have made that a feature for every individual taxpayer once the main NYS Tax & Finance page was opened.  I was disappointed that had not been made more clear to the common taxpayer from all sources.

I then reviewed other files I prepared for other clients with unemployment income after the Federal Act excluded the first $10,200.  A NYS return prepared and electronically filed on April 7 was correctly calculated.  Apparently NYS files submitted electronically at least between 3/23 and 4/7 should be reviewed when a client received unemployment income to determine if the calculation was correct on the NY return - so you can be proactive with the client and advise they will get a NYS adjustment. 

I am not happy that I spent a lot of money on software that is not effectively keeping the software up to date.  I know it has been an unusual tax year.   I know that ultimately the preparer is responsible for knowing about new legislation.  I belong to a tax preparer association and rely to some degree on updates from the association.  Nevertheless, certainly ProSeries Tax would have a closer, more timely connection to IRS and States than the common tax user. I have a small practice and am a single practitioner.  I run the ProSeries product updates regularly.  I always open and review the file one last time before I electronically file and rely on the program advising that the "Return ready to EF".  I do pay attention to changes and was attempting to be up to date but in part also relying on the software to be up to date. This was an unsettling situation.  

IRonMaN
Level 15
April 12, 2021

"I know it has been an unusual tax year"

In Intuit's defense (and I don't do a lot of defending of Intuit), there were masses ready to riot Intuit headquarters because they weren't moving fast enough to update the federal unemployment exclusion.  So they finally got that done to stop the rioting.  But each state approaches things like unemployment separately so there was no way for them to do a blanket update for the state handling of the exclusion.  We were on our own and it really is up to us to decide if it is safe to go back in the water when dealing with our own states.  I knew my state wasn't in tune with the exclusion so I put my toes in the water before I jumped into the deep end of the pool.  Depending on the state involved, for some of those that jumped in head first, their state played along and they lucked out.  For those that made the big dive without verifying the state side of things, hopefully they were wearing their life preserver or can swim really well.

Slava Ukraini!