Any advice on determining and reporting tips for masseuses and similar professionals? My client likely received 20%, ~10,000, of his gross self-employment income from tips.
Thank you.
Per Spidell: Self-employed taxpayers can claim the qualified tips deduction, as long as the tips are reported on Forms 1099-NEC, 1099-MISC, or 1099-K and only if the business is not a specified service trade or business (SSTB). This gives rise to an interesting challenge: How often does a self-employed person receive a cash tip that is reported on a 1099 form? In its proposed regulations, the IRS provides examples of tips received by self-employed taxpayers, but the examples focus on whether the tips received by the hypothetical taxpayers are the type of tips that are allowable for the deduction, but
do not mention the 1099 reporting requirements.
Mr. Kamann's answer in a different thread appears to be the best: "In my opinion, disallowing tips to self-employed people who don't receive 1099s comes under the "absurd result" rule of statutory construction that means the literal reading of Section 224(a) can be thrown out. I'm taking the deduction for my self-employed clients who do personal-service work. You do what you want with yours. When Congress and/or Treasury clears this up, you can always file amended returns."
So, I will:
Report the tips gross receipts on Schedule C, line 1.
Calculate net earnings normally.
Separately compute Qualified Tips deduction:
Deduction amount = $Tips × statutory percentage (OBBBA sets 100% deduction for qualified tips, limited to the lesser of (a) actual tips or (b) statutory threshold for the year).
Claim the deduction on Schedule 1, Part II, “Other adjustments.”
Label as “IRC §224 Qualified Tips Deduction.”
Bob believes firmly that they should be able to deduct tips even if there is no 1099.
Bill believes firmly that they can't deduct tips without the 1099.
I haven't decided what direction I am going to go yet, but I do lean towards Bob for clients that keep good records. I'll officially decide once I see my first client come in with that situation.
Thanks for sharing ironman. I think hearing about your decision criteria and reasoning will be very helpful and interesting. When there is a "gray area" and "aggressive" positions can be taken, the laws are difficult to follow, as you know.
What's hilarious about this is that everyone has always known that no one ever reports all of their tip income. That's why IRS gladly provides advice on what you can get away with. Against a background of "voluntary compliance," the by-the-book readers of Section 224 claim, perhaps with some justification, that it is a message to the small businessperson that "we don't trust you unless there is third-party evidence that you actually got those tips." The November election isn't going to be won by the party pursuing this attitude, so I'm sure they will chicken out.
That can be done in one of two ways. First, a technical correction in legislation later this year. Or, a Treasury interpretation that what this really means is that (1) there is a deduction for "qualified tips," and (2) if these are tips that have to be reported on a W-2 or 1099, those are the numbers you have to use.
Here is what the Tax Section of the American Bar Association had to say to Treasury about this matter, last October:
III. Self-Employed Taxpayers
A. Background
Section 224 acknowledges that self-employed taxpayers are entitled to the qualified tip income deduction and limits the deduction to the net income allocable to the trade or business in which the qualified tips are received.
Section 224 and the Proposed Regulation require that a qualified tip be included in statements furnished to the individual under sections 6041(d)(3), 6041A(e)(3), 6050W(f)(2) or 6051(a)(18) or on Form 4137. Section 6041 only requires businesses to issue Form 1099-NEC, Non-Employee Compensation, to contractors. Yet, many occupations listed in Table 1 of Prop. Treas. Reg. §1.224-1(f) customarily and regularly tipped occupations as of December 31, 2024 are those involving self-employed taxpayers who provide services to households, such as home plumbers, pet caretakers, tutors, babysitters, and hairdressers. These self-employed taxpayers will not receive Forms 1099-NEC from their customers. They may receive a form 1099-K, Payment Card and Third Party Network Transactions, if they accept payment by credit or debit card and the customer includes the tip on the charge, or if they use a third-party settlement organization (such as PayPal) and the customer transfers any tip in this manner, and such charges exceed $20,000 and over 200 transactions for the year.
B. Recommendations
Due to the mid-year enactment and retroactive application of section 224, and the fact that the Service announced36 that there will not be any changes to information return forms, we encourage the Service to provide relief to contractors who do not receive reports of their tips or other income on Forms 1099. We recommend the Service provide a safe harbor for contractors who maintain records (such as those required under section 6001) documenting an amount that would otherwise meet the definition of “qualified tips” under section 224 for 2025.
It's possible that future changes to Form 1099-K reporting thresholds will allow more self-employed taxpayers to utilize Form 1099-K to be eligible for the tip income deduction, but until that happens, we recommend the Service create a form similar to Form 4137 that can be used by self-employed taxpayers to report their tip income.
provide a safe harbor for contractors who maintain records (such as those required under section 6001
I think this is a good idea. A Safe Harbor similar to the RRE 199A safe harbor from a few years ago could satisfy taxpayers and the IRS.
@strongsilence wrote:
So, I will:
Claim the deduction on Schedule 1, Part II, “Other adjustments.”
Label as “IRC §224 Qualified Tips Deduction.”
Wow.
First, the Law, Notice, Proposed Regulation, Schedule 1-A and the Schedule 1-A Instructions all agree that it needs to be on a 1099.
Second, why are earth would you put the Tip Deduction on Schedule 1 (and above-the-line deduction) when it is supposed to be on Schedule 1-A (a below-the-line deduction)?
What I find interesting is that the ProSeries Schedule C tips worksheet (Items E and F) has a place to enter “tips related to income below 1099-NEC, 1099-MISC or 1099-K threshold” and “all other tips (such as cash) from individuals not subject to 1099 thresholds”, with a double asterisk that explains, “These tips are not currently eligible, but may be in the future.”
That doesn’t come from any IRS instructions or guidance that I can find. Is it just something that Intuit dreamed up? Or perhaps IRS asked them to include it, because they hear the winds of change.
The IRS issued "Guidance for Individual Taxpayers who received Qualified Tips or Qualified
Overtime Compensation in 2025"
Notice 2025-69
https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-drop/n-25-69.pdf
The massage therapist could ask for 1099s from his patients to document the tips he received but that would yield very few 1099s as these are ordinary individuals who don't have experience filing 1099s.
“tips related to income below 1099-NEC, 1099-MISC or 1099-K threshold” and “all other tips (such as cash) from individuals not subject to 1099 thresholds”, with a double asterisk that explains, “These tips are not currently eligible, but may be in the future.”
LC has nothing like that. The Schedule C worksheet input says: "Qualified tips included in Form 1099-NEC, 1099-MISC, or Form 1099-K."
Nearly all of his clients paid him less than $600 so there is no 1099 reporting requirement.
And Example 3 in IRS notice 2025-69 shows that a self-employed individual does NOT need to have tips reported on a 1099. The below words in bold are by me.
Example 3. Individual D is a self-employed travel guide who operates as a sole
proprietor. In 2025, Individual D receives $7,000 in tips from customers paid through a
third-party settlement organization as defined in section 6050W(b)(3). For tax year
2025, Individual D receives a Form 1099-K from an online booking platform that is a
third-party settlement organization as defined in section 6050W(b)(3) showing $55,000
of total payments. The Form 1099-K does not separately identify the tips. However,
Individual D keeps a log of each tour that shows the date, customer, and tip amount
received. Because Individual D has daily tip logs substantiating the $7,000 tip amount,
D may use the $7,000 tip amount in determining qualified tips for tax year 2025.
Bill is not entirely correct.
Let's be honest, 2025 is going to be a free for all when it comes to tips and overtime. It's pretty much on the honor system and the IRS doesn't have enough bodies to enforce that honor system.
That example just shows how the remaining IRS employees have never traveled beyond the Beltway. It says "Individual D receives a Form 1099-K." The reason tips aren't shown on it is that you don't tip the tour guide when you book the tour, you do it in cash at the end of the tour if you had a good time. (This is especially true of US tour guides for foreign tourists.) IRS was afraid to use a barber or beautician as an example, so they pulled this one out of thin air somewhere dark.
@strongsilence wrote:
The Form 1099-K does not separately identify the tips.
However, Individual D keeps a log of each tour that shows the date, customer, and tip amount received. Because Individual D has daily tip logs substantiating the $7,000 tip amount, D may use the $7,000 tip amount in determining qualified tips for tax year 2025.
You seem to be misreading it and ignoring the beginning of that section that explains what those examples are for. And in that example, the taxpayer received a 1099.
That says that because the tip amount is not separately stated on the 1099 for 2025, a taxpayer can use their own records for determining the AMOUNT. But it still needs to be on a 1099. You need to start on page 16.
Only cash tips separately accounted for on the applicable Form 1099 are included in calculating the deduction.
However, for tax year 2025, a separate accounting of cash tips received by a non-employee will not appear on the Form 1099 furnished to the non-employee. Therefore, the Treasury Department and the IRS have determined that, for purposes of satisfying the requirements of section 224(a) for tax year 2025, a non-employee may (1) treat the section 224(a) requirement that qualified tips be included on a statement furnished pursuant to the requirements of sections 6041(d)(3), 6041A(e)(3), or 6050W(f)(2) as satisfied if the non-employee’s cash tips are included in the total amounts reported as other income on the Form 1099-MISC, nonemployee compensation on the Form 1099-NEC, or payment card/third-party network transactions on the Form 1099-K furnished to the non-employee, and (2) calculate the amount of qualified tips (subject to the other limitations and requirements for qualified tips under section 224) using earnings statements or other documentation such as receipts, point-of-sale system reports, daily tip logs, third party settlement organization records, or other documentary evidence that corroborates the calculation of the total amount of tips
that are qualified tips for tax year 2025
https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-drop/n-25-69.pdf#page=16
I'm going to have The Talk with my barber. If I can get away for a haircut. Here is how it goes.
"I know you try to keep honest records of all your cash income, for tax preparation. And you tell me you keep track of tips. But are you sure of those numbers? Now remember, if you write one down, you have to pay 15% SE tax on it. And IRS says they won't give you the deduction that would save you 10% income tax. So let's say you wrote down $2,000 in tips. Not that I would doubt you, but IRS would. Do you want to pay $300 in SE tax, and then another $200 of income tax? After all, they have no way of knowing the real number unless they pay an auditor to analyze your spending habits. What with salaries and overhead, that would cost IRS thousands of dollars, which they don't have. So think about it. Just make sure you give me the right numbers for that tip income."
@strongsilence wrote:
Yes, daily logs can substantiate tip AMOUNT. But that amount is included in the total amount on 1099, as the Notice indicated was a requirement.
What the clueless authors at the Idiotic Regulations Suppliers don't know about their silly example, because they're not allowed to use AI:
Tour guides should generally be tipped at the very end of the tour, once services are completed, as a gesture of appreciation for their expertise and effort. In the U.S., a tip of 10–20% of the total tour cost is considered standard, though for short, high-quality tours, $10–$30 per day or $5–$20 per person is acceptable.
When and How to Tip
At the End: Always hand the tip directly to the guide at the conclusion of the tour, preferably in cash and inside an envelope or card.
For Multi-Day Tours: Tip the tour director at the end of the trip and local guides at the end of each specific, shorter, or day-long tour.
"Free" Tours: Even if a tour is advertised as "free," tipping is expected; $10–$20 per person is appropriate.
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