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Is it allowed that 1120S balance sheet with retained earnings? Or the retained earnings need to be distributed by K1 to business owners?

kwyp
Level 4

The net earnings from S Corp is supposed to be split into two parts: W2 income and distribution. 

If the balance sheet of S corp with retained earnings, assume retained earnings equals 25K. Does IRS allow S corp to carryforward its retained earnings to the coming year without paying tax? 

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TaxGuyBill
Level 15

@kwyp wrote:

The net earnings from S Corp is supposed to be split into two parts: W2 income and distribution. 


 

No, the individual taxpayer has earnings from W-2 income and pass-through income from the corporation (the corporation's profit after paying wages).  Distributions are separate.

In other words, the taxpayer will pay tax on the profit of the corporation (after W-2 wages), plus their W-2 wages, regardless of their distributions.

BobKamman
Level 15

In other words, the profit that is not distributed is the retained earnings.

kwyp
Level 4

Does  1120 S allow not distribution?

I think only C Corp can keep retained earnings to a limited amount thus to avoid paying tax 

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qbteachmt
Level 15

There is no "supposed" to be split. It's "supposed" to pay reasonable compensation for services, so marketplace wage. Not a Split of any specific type. What the IRS doesn't want to see is all distribution and no payroll for the shareholder. That's because the Supreme Court ruled that corporations are their own separate entity. The corporation needs to hire a human to do the work. That human is an employee. That means payroll.

Yes, an S Corp is not forced to make distributions. But that is a pass-through entity. Taking or not taking the excess money is not the taxable event. Making profit is the taxable event. Whether the "excess" money is held in the entity's bank account or distributed or spent on inventory, the entire (net income) of that corporate year still is taxed, because it got generated in a taxable manner, and this entity is taxed on that money. What you call the excess as retained earnings, is not the taxable amount. It's from the full taxable amount.

 

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kwyp
Level 4

Hi Bill, 

Thank you for your input. Here is my understanding about retained earning after search. 

Retained earning is after tax money, the tax is paid on Sch E on 1040 through K1. 

if retained earning stays with 1120S, if distribute, it is called owner's draw, it is a no tax related transaction.

If retained earning stays with 1120C, if distribute, it is called dividend, it will be distributed by 1099div. 

Please correct me if I am wrong. 

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qbteachmt
Level 15

"Please correct me if I am wrong."

Again, this is not a ProConnect software question. It's a tax lesson, and you need to look elsewhere, because what you get here are generalities and basics. Not the in depth give-and-take that will help you learn.

In general:

Retained Earnings are part of Equity, or "ownership position" in that the entity has this value in and of itself. That value is from the math (the Accounting Equation):

Assets = Liability + Equity

or, you can subtract Liability from both sides, and this still is the same statement:

Assets minus Liabilities = Equity

Or, what is owed stands against what is owned. I teach this lesson as, if I were to be hit by a bus, you would sell off everything I own (assets), pay off all amounts I owe (debts, liability) and the difference (equity) you can keep and party with.

"Retained earning is after tax money"

No.

Retained earnings is not Money, but value: Net Assets (the term used in not-for-profits and governmental entity accounting). Perhaps they don't have much money, but they have large shop tools, forktrucks, over the road equipment, buildings. That is reflected in Equity as the value reduced by the liability. Money is an asset. Buildings are an asset. Money in the bank might be loan proceeds. That means it's not been taxed. That's why Equity such as Retained Earnings is Value, not Money.

You likely need a class for learning basic accounting and how to read the financial reports: Income Statement (Profit and Loss report), Balance Sheet, Statement of Cash Flows. Also, operating and performance reporting would be useful.

Entities:

Sole Proprietorship, the person is their own business (even though they might also have employees). There is no separation of self from the business activity. All assets, liability, and equity belong to that person. That person can take money from the business at any time. This is an Owner. The taking is an Owner Draw. The business tax form of Schedule C is how this owner reports their business success or failure onto their 1040. "Form" 1040 is the tax return. "Schedules" such as C are attached details that flow to the 1040.

C Corp, an entity type that stands alone from the shareholders. There is no Owner. There is no Draw. No one at Ford or Microsoft or Walmart can just take money any time they want to. The shareholders get part of the success of the business as a dividend, which justifies their investment in the company. That investment is in the form of Stock shares. Just because money gets "distributed" (which is an adjective = spread out or shared), it's not a Distribution (which is a noun). The C Corp also files taxes and pays taxes and uses Form 1120. Related Schedules cover the various operations and details that corporation is involved with.

S Corp, an entity type for smaller shareholder pool, not all the different Classes of shares, and is sort of an alternative to being C Corp. There is no Dividend here. There is no Owner, so no Draw. If there is any distribution declared, all shareholders get an amount prorated to their shares held. Any shareholder working for the company is an employee; there are many rules for this as a way to avoid special treatment and avoid allowing the shareholder to shift personal costs to the business. That's why you'll see ">2%" or "10% or more" limitations and requirements. S Corp files Form 1120S. It is a pass through entity for Federal taxes, although some States now have a tax paid at the entity level.

Partnerships file a Form 1065. There is no payroll for partners. There are distributions (partner draws) pertaining to profit, and a provision for Guaranteed Payments. Things here can be inequitable, and one member/partner might be the controlling (general) partner. This entity type can elect to be treated as a Corporation. More often, they form a legal entity at the State level for risk and protection, and that is LLC, LLP, etc.

1099 is an information form. There are various types of reasons and differing limits for why the IRS wants to know about something. 1099-Div is not issued by sole proprietorship, S corp or partnership.

K-1 is the way you deal with the pass-through information, and a Sole Proprietorship has no K-1. There is no one else to notify, in other words.

This doesn't even begin to approach 501(c)(x) entities (charities and not-for-profits), or foundations, or governmental accounting, payroll, employment benefits, or details such as UBIT.

You really need to pick what you want to know, then go learn about it.

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kwyp
Level 4

Thank you for your explanation with precise tax concepts and understanding. 

Based on your input, here is my updated summary:

Retained earning is part of equity but after paying tax. (it can be cash or property) 

for LLC, transfer retained earning to personal, it is called owner's draw

for S corp, tansfer retained earning to personal, it is called shareholder's distribution 

for C corp, transfer reained earning to personal, it is called dividend issued by company through 1099div

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qbteachmt
Level 15

You really need to get off the internet. You are close in concept, but not quite right for purposes of tax prep.

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Dblunt99
Level 1

Qbteachmt:

please be patient with me but I have a question and you seem very knowledgeable about it. So my situation is I work at a company that is a s corp ran by two people. Several months back, they decided that I would eventually be a partner and that I could run my side business through theirs now and I would obtain a percentage of the job. I have accumulated 11,000 dollars now in their account that I told them to hold on to so that one day I could buy a percentage of the business. I really don’t want them to write me a check for that amount and I have to claim it as income. My question is, is can they claim that money as retained earnings and not pay taxes on it either? 

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IRonMaN
Level 15

You can't "claim" money as retained earnings to avoid taxation.  If the S corporation keeps the money, it is taxable income to them.  If they pay it out to you, you are then the chosen one that gets to report the income.


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abctax55
Level 15

@Dblunt99 

Hi there,

You’ve come to an Intuit site supporting tax professionals, and you may be looking for support as an individual taxpayer. Please visit the TurboTax Help site for support.

Or, pay a tax pro for their help. That's how we earn a living.

 

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Dblunt99
Level 1

Thank you IronMan! One last quick question if I may. It seems like I should still keep it in their account as retained earnings and is that just subject to FICA taxes? 

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IRonMaN
Level 15

Income to a sub S isn't subject to FICA but is subject to ordinary federal and state income taxes.


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kwyp
Level 4

S Corporation, pass-through income that is not distributed to shareholders remains in the corporation as retained earnings.

Retained earnings is after-tax money. 

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IRonMaN
Level 15

Thanks for the help, but you kinda skipped over the part that says taxable income is what creates retained earnings 


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Terry53029
Level 14
Level 14

 S corporations are not permitted to have retained earnings in the technical senseInstead, S corporations use an Accumulated Adjustments Account (AAA) to track profits that have not been distributed to shareholders. S corporations are pass-through entities, which means that profits flow directly to shareholders for tax purposes, regardless of whether the money remains in the business. This is different from regular corporations, which can retain and pay taxes on their earnings

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Level 13

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Accountant-Man
Level 13

Actually, retained earnings in S corps are called AAA-Accumulated Adjustments Account. AAA is the Equity Positive for Profits, Negative for Losses and other specifically passed through deductions, less for distributions of profits.

It is similar to but not exactly the same as Retained Earnings.

You really should hire a CPA, EA, or other Tax Professional.

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qbteachmt
Level 15

@Dblunt99 

If you work there, you are an employee and get payroll and a W2. This would be more like a commission from a specific job you brought to the business, and of course anything they pay you goes through your payroll.

That means it is business income as usual, and the payout is your wage (their expense) as usual. Even if you call it bonus and not salary or hourly, it's still wage compensation.

You never want your employer to keep your money.

I don't know how you ran your side business through theirs. That is never a good idea. You are blurring the lines for customer, provider, risk (insurance) liability, supplies and equipment. It's either your business or it's theirs.

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