Yes, NY is very screwy lol.  I think for 2024 we will not be doing estimates for clients.  I just think it's ridiculous that the program doesn't notify you that there are estimates "ready to efile" as it does for tax returns and the 1st estimated payments.  Unfortunately, we didn't find this out until we used this feature this year thinking we were doing a good thing...well you know what they say, "no good deed goes unpunished" lol.  Thank you for all your help and replys.  Greatly appreciated.