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Scenario :
Client with a Vacation/Rental property allocated 299 Rental days / 66 days personal (~82% rental use)
The total rental loss is $116K - Proseries is classifying as "other passive exceptions" and allowing ~$32K current year deductible rental loss on Schedule E and Schedule 1. Shouldn't this be "0"?
Shouldn't the full $116 rental loss be suspended and show up on 8582?
Thanks.
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First thing I need to ask, HOW is there a loss of $116,000?
And just check, did this property go back-and-forth between personal and rental use? Or was it 100% personal then converted to 100% rental (or vice versa)?
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Its a 2.5 million rental property, lots of maintenance, huge mortgage etc while rental income received only $17K last year.
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299 rental days and they only received $17,000 for that type of property? Is it being rented at Fair Market Value? Something seems fishy to have come up with a loss of $116,000.
And just to confirm, that supposed $116,000 loss is only from this one year?
And please confirm my other question about it being back-and-forth between rental and personal use, versus just being converted to 100% rental or personal use.
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The loss numbers are irrelevant to the question. It's a Vacation Rental (i.e. these people use the property as vacation property every year and also rent it out.) This individual is NOT a real estate professional.
Rented FMV 299 days
Personal use 66 days
Proseries is automatically classifying (X) as "other passive exceptions" thus allowing a % of the current year loss as a deduction. AGI is north of $3 million. P/Y return prepared by Big 4 and similar scenario and % of the loss deducted as "other passive exceptions".
I guess the question is the proseries worksheet reliable ?
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@pm-zz wrote:The loss numbers are irrelevant to the question.
While that is true, I'm not going to help you through a question when the basis of the entire question seems really wrong. I would be happy to try to help you if I understand why such a large loss occurred. Without an explanation, something seems REALLY wrong and I wouldn't want to help you prepare an incorrect tax return. With the limited information you have provided, it doesn't seem to be rented at Fair Market Value, in which case Schedule E could be the incorrect place on the tax return for it.
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I agree with Bill. $17K / 299 days is $400/week. In what state can I rent a $2.5Mil home for $400/week?
I don't do enough of these to know the rules cold. Mostly I'm just thinking out loud here. With that much personal use you should be hitting a 280A limitation preventing just about any loss. Exceptions would be for RE Tax and Mortgage Interest IF this qualifies as a second home. RE Tax will end up with other taxes and the total would be limited to $10K, so I can't imagine any of that would be allowed. Mortgage interest would be limited to interest on $1M of acquisition debt. Some of that *might* be allowed but ProSeries isn't going to be able to apply the limit, you'll have to do it manually.
Rick
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"Rented FMV 299 days"
There seems to be no unoccupied dates at all, which is unlikely. Also, there seems to be a missing preposition or adjective or verb. Is that "Was rented at Fair Market Value for 299 days" or perhaps "It would rent for $X and would be computed as if it had been rented for the remaining 299 days."
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