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How to enter information for Form 3800 in Lacerte

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Below are solutions to frequently asked questions about entering Form 3800, General Business Credits.

For tax year 2023, Form 3800 is undergoing a major IRS rewrite that expands the form to 8 pages. This form is still in development, pending a future release. Form 1120S and 1065 filers that require Form 3800 may want to consider filing extensions.

New for tax year 2023:

  • Pre-filing registration requirement. If you intend to make an elective payment election and/or a transfer election on Form 3800, you must complete a pre-filing registration before you file your tax return.
  • Elective payment election. Beginning with tax year 2023, certain applicable entities and electing taxpayers can elect to treat certain IRA 2022 business credits as elective payments. Certain eligible taxpayers can elect to treat CHIPS 2022 credits as elective payments. Any overpayments may result in refunds.
  • Transferring credits. Taxpayers may make an election to transfer all or a portion of certain IRA 2022 credits.
  • See IRS instructions for 3800 for more information.

Starting in tax year 2023:

The 3800 form has been restructured to contain 8 pages:

PageContentAdditional details
1Part I: Current Year Credits Not Allowed Against Tentative Minimum Tax
1Part II: Allowable Credit
2Part II: Allowable Credit continued
3Part III: Current Year General Business Credits (GBCs)Current year credits from Forms: 3468 Part II, 7207, 6765, 3468 Part III, 8826, 8835 Part II, 7210, 7720, 8874, 8881 Part 1, 8882, 8864, 8896, 8906. 3468 Part IV, 8908, 8910, 8911, 8830, 7213 Part II, 3468 Part V, 8932, 8933, 8936 Part II, 8936 Part V, 8904, 7213 Part I, 8881 Part II, 8881 Part III, 8864 line 8, other credits.
4Part III: Current Year General Business Credits (GBCs) continuedCurrent year credits from Forms: 8844, 3468 Part VI, 5884, 6478, 8586. 8835 Part II, 8846, 8900, 8941, 6765 ESB credit, 8994, 3468 Part VII, other specified credits.
5Part IV: Carryovers of General Business Credits (GBCs) or Eligible Small Business Credits (ESBCs)Credits carried over to tax year 2023 from: Form 3468 Part II, 7207, 6765, 3468 Part III, 8826, 8835 Part II, 7210, 8820, 8874, 8881 Part I, 8882, 8864, 8896, 8906, 3468 Part IV, 8908, 8910, 8911 Part II, 8830, 7213 Part II, 3468 Part V, 8932, 8933, 8936 Part II, 8936 Part V, 8904, 7213 Part I, 8881 Part II, 8881 Part III, 8864, other.
Credits for which only carryfowards are allowed: Form 5884-A, 8586, 8845, 8907, 8909, 8923, 8834, 8931, 1065-B, 5884, 6478, 8846
6Part IV: Carryovers of General Business Credits (GBCs) or Eligible Small Business Credits (ESBCs) continuedCredits carried over to tax year 2023 from: Form 8900, 5884-A 5884-B, 8847, 8861, 8884, 8942.
Specified credits from: 3468 Part VI, 5884, 6478, 8586, 8835, 8846, 8900, 8941, 6765 ESB, 8994, 3468 Part VII.
7Part V: Breakdown of Aggregate Amounts on Part III for Facility-by-Facility, Multiple Pass-Through Entities, etc.
8Part VI: Breakdown of Aggregate Amounts in Part IV

Where do I enter general business credits for an individual return?

Most general business credits can be entered directly and aggregated from passthrough K-1 inputs. To find input sources for a particular credit:

  1. Using the table above determine if the credit is listed on page 3 or page 4 of the 3800.
  2. Go to the Forms tab.
  3. Open Form 3800 to the correct page.
  4. Locate the line for the credit you need.
  5. Right-click in the amount column of that line.
  6. Select Jump-to-input.
  7. Enter the credit amounts.

Critical Diagnostic ref 60077:

For the initial 3800 release you may receive the following diagnostic:

  • Form 3800: development is not yet complete with regards to transfer elections and elective payment elections, one or more of which is present in the General Business & Vehicle Credits input screen. Please do not file the return at this time. This diagnostic will be removed once development has been completed. (ref #60077)

This is generated when you use the new Credit transferred or Gross elective payment fields for the credits. The calculation for these fields is still in development pending a future release.

To enter business credit carryforwards and carrybacks:

  1. Go to Screen 34, General Business and Vehicle Credits.
  2. Select the Carryovers/Misc Info link.
  3. From the sections select Business Credit Carryforwards and Carrybacks (3800)
  4. In the table for Credit Type locate the credit form.
  5. Complete the Year and amounts for the carryforward or carryback.

Where do I enter carryovers from other years?

To enter passive activity credit carryovers:

  1. Go to Screen 34, General Business and Vehicle Credits.
  2. Select the Form the carryovers should be linked to.
  3. Scroll down to the Prior Year Unallowed Credits section.
  4. If the credit is listed here, enter the amount in the appropriate field. Otherwise, scroll to the Other Passive Credit Carryovers section and select the Credit type from the list.

To enter business credit carryforwards and carrybacks:

  1. Go to Screen 34, General Business and Vehicle Credits.
  2. Click on the Carryovers/Misc. Info link at the top left of your screen.
  3. Scroll down to the Business Credit Carryforwards and Carrybacks (3800) section.
  4. Select the Credit Type (Ctrl+T).
  5. Enter the carryforward or carryback amount in the appropriate column.

Where do I enter general business credits for an individual return?

Most general business credits can be entered directly and aggregated from passthrough K-1 inputs. To find input sources for a particular credit:

  1. Go to the Forms tab.
  2. Open Form 3800 and scroll to page 3.
  3. Locate the line for the credit you need.
  4. Right-click in the amount column of that line.
  5. Select Jump-to-input.

After you enter the credits on Screen 28.1, you'll need to manually reduce your basis on Screen 21, Depreciation.

Enter the amount of the reduction using the Basis reduction (amortizable costs expensed, ITC, etc.) fields found under the Federal Depreciation and Regular Depreciation sections.

You can create a statement outside of the program and save it as a PDF to attach to the e-file return in the Electronic Filing screen. Refer to the Instructions for Form 3800 for more information about attaching statements for credits.

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