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What the asset type be for a new spetic system ($22,000)

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Best answer by IRonMaN

I'm not sure about a spetic system, but I would go with 27.5 or 39 years for a septic system depending on whether it was residential or commercial property.

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Intuit Community Champion
December 7, 2019
pub 946 says that Any municipal wastewater treatment plan is 15 year property, and a septic system does the same thing.
Camp1040
Level 10
December 7, 2019
If the OP meant municipal wastewater treatment, then yes 15 yrs.
IRonMaN
Level 15
December 7, 2019
Municipal waste water treatment plants for $22,000?  They really should spread the word, they cost millions in most other cities.  Whatever their trick is to cut costs, there are going to be a lot of taxpayers across the country eager to find out about those tricks :smile::smile:
Slava Ukraini!
Intuit Community Champion
December 7, 2019
Guess I missed the change where asset class was determined  depending on cost of asset :)
Camp1040
Level 10
December 7, 2019
The point may have been the subject is a private septic system and not a municipal treatment facility.
Intuit Community Champion
December 7, 2019
Check out this article from tom Copeland    http://tomcopelandblog.com/ how-to-treat-land-improvements    What do the following items have in common: outdoor fence, patio, driveway, sidewalk/walkway, underground sprinkler system, cement slab, sewer line, septic tank, underground swimming pool, and a well?
They are all considered land improvements that you can deduct as a business expense.
A land improvement is something that is attached to your land, costs more than $2,500, increases the value of the land and has a separate useful life apart from the land.
You must depreciate land improvements over 15 years. If you use the item 100% for your business you can depreciate 100% of the cost. If it’s used for both business and personal purposes, multiply the cost by your Time-Space Percentage before depreciating. If your actual business use percent is much greater than your Time-Space Percentage, you can use the actual business use percent before depreciating it. See my article “How to Calculate an Actual Business Use Percent.”
Intuit Community Champion
December 7, 2019
court case  
Tax Ct. Docket No. 38852-87
Doc 1989-1288
Decided: February 14, 1989
Cite(s): T.C. Memo 1989-66
56 T.C.M. 1242
Judge(s): Couvillion, opinion
Principal Code Section Reference(s): Section 168


Summary


Provided by Tax Analysts. Copyright 2006 Tax Analysts. All rights reserved.

CONVERSION OF GARAGE TO DENTIST OFFICE NETS NO ITC; OFFICE FURNISHINGS MUST BE DEPRECIATED OVER FIFTEEN YEARS.

Joe Miller retired from the United States Air Force and set up practice as a dentist in Dripping Springs, Tex. Miller bought a house with a detached garage, which he had renovated and enlarged for his business. He paid nearly $6,000 for a septic tank system that served his home and the office. He also paid $36,800 to have the garage turned into a dental office, complete with furnishings. Miller claimed an investment tax credit (ITC) for the sewage system. He classified the sewage system and the office furnishings and attachments as five-year property for depreciation purposes.

The Service determined a deficiency, asserting that the sewage system was not tangible personal property eligible for the ITC. It also asserted that the system was 15-year property for depreciation purposes and was not depreciable to the extent of its use in serving Miller's residence. The Service charged that the cabinets, benches, shelves, and other attachments in Miller's office should be depreciated over the course of 15 years. Miller petitioned the Tax Court, arguing that the septic tank system constituted tangible personal property since it could be moved. Even if it were not section 38 property, Miller argued, it should be treated as five-year property since the local government may require attachment to a central sewage system within five years. He also argued that the office furnishings deserve five-year depreciation.

Tax Court Special Trial Judge Couvillion has held that the sewage system is not tangible personal property. The court cited Everhart v. Commissioner, 61 T.C. 328 (1973). The court ruled that the septic tank system is permanent and subject to 15-year depreciation. Citing Miller's lack of documentation and the nature of the office components, Judge Couvillion held that Miller is entitled to five-year depreciation of cabinets and benches. The court sustained the Service's determination that the remainder of the office assets should be depreciated over 15 years.
sjrcpa
Level 15
December 7, 2019
The depreciable lives were different when this case was decided.
The more I know the more I don’t know.
rbynaker
Level 13
December 7, 2019
The case doesn't say what year was being examined but wouldn't it have to be pre-MACRS if they're depreciating cabinets, benches and shelves over 15 years?  If it was in Tax Court in early 1989 I'm guessing a 1985 tax return?  It's slightly before my time but I think MACRS was invented with TRA-86.

The only thing I could find from IRS that mentions "Septic" is Pub 527 which lists it as a "Plumbing Improvement" in the table on page 5.  My inclination would be 27.5/39 year property.  I would have trouble making the argument that a Septic System "increases the value of the land".  IMO it increases the value of the building that's attached to it.

I'm not saying you're wrong, just that I couldn't find any good sources to support this as a land improvement.

Rick
sjrcpa
Level 15
December 7, 2019
Yes i read it as pre MACRS. MACRS came in with TRA 86.
The more I know the more I don’t know.