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PATAX
Level 12
March 13, 2021

Sjr thank you for the link... I also give credit to the IRS for quickly taking care of this matter....👍

sjrcpa
sjrcpaAuthor
Level 15
March 13, 2021

I am also surprised they did this so quickly.

The more I know the more I don’t know.
Camp1040
Level 10
March 13, 2021

That was pretty quick with the guidance from the IRS. I'm impressed!

Level 2
March 13, 2021

Do you have to amend 2020 already filed?

sjrcpa
sjrcpaAuthor
Level 15
March 13, 2021

https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/irs-statement-american-rescue-plan-act-of-2021

"For those who received unemployment benefits last year and have already filed their 2020 tax return, the IRS emphasizes they should not file an amended return at this time, until the IRS issues additional guidance.."

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PATAX
Level 12
March 13, 2021

Wow that is very important information... You can read it two different ways, one that they may automatically adjust the returns already filed with unemployment or the last 3 words at this time which could mean that they may want us to wait to file an amended return after their system is updated... great information sjr thank you again we appreciate everything that you do👍

qbteachmt
Level 15
March 13, 2021

Thanks for the link. I hope the search engines find it, too.

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IRonMaN
Level 15
March 13, 2021

Good timing.  I just finished a return with unemployment.  Now I'll just have to see how I back off the reduction for MN.

Slava Ukraini!
TAXOH
Level 10
March 13, 2021

Thanks for posting. 

Level 2
March 13, 2021

Had a long day here

But are we waiting for Proseries software update for the exclusion?  

 

PATAX
Level 12
March 13, 2021

Had a long day too.. Yeah we have to wait a little bit for ProSeries to coordinate with the IRS and update the software... It might be a little while since everything has happened so quickly and they need time to update it ,so I am just going to be patient...

BobKamman
Level 15
March 13, 2021

What they are saying is that the $150K figure includes unemployment, even if it's what puts the taxpayer over the $150K mark and would otherwise be excluded.

I'm not sure that's what the law says.  It creates a new Section 85(c) that says Section 85 is to be disregarded when determining modified AGI.  Does that mean disregard the requirement that unemployment be included in income?  Or disregard the possible exclusion?

 

PATAX
Level 12
March 13, 2021

Bob you have raised very good points ..... Hopefully guidance will come soon... Although I will say that I do not think there will be too many people making close to $150,000 who also received unemployment comp.... Most of the people who I have seen collect unemployment are those at the lower economic scale, i.e. income..just my opinion...

IRonMaN
Level 15
March 13, 2021

I have at least a couple clients that hit that $150,000 mark.

Slava Ukraini!
BobKamman
Level 15
March 13, 2021

Can someone tell me why IRS is taking the long way around the barn for this? What is the difference between their 10-step program, and my two steps?

Step 1: Complete your return showing all of the unemployment you received. If the AGI on Line 11 is more than $150,000, STOP. You do not qualify for the exclusion.

Step 2: If AGI on Line 11 is less than $150,000, go back and subtract the unemployment received, up to $10,200, by entering it as a negative number on Line 8 of Schedule 1. On a joint return if both spouses received unemployment, subtract the unemployment received up to $10,200 for each. Write “R.I.P.” on the dotted line to the left of Line 8.

abctax55
Level 15
March 13, 2021

@BobKamman  "..Can someone tell me why IRS is taking the long way around the barn for this?

What a dumb question; it's the IRS 🤣 !!!   Why would they *ever* take the short-cut around/thru the barn ?

And I just love the "split" the UIC due to community property idea.  Nothing I've seen in ARPA  addresses  it; the fact that the $ 150,000 cliff applies across the board to all filing statuses (statusi ?) means "they" weren't considering all the implications.  Surprise, surprise.... what's that line about haste making waste?

I have several I've been holding that I'll now go back & evaluate MFS.  Oh, joy.  

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BobKamman
Level 15
March 13, 2021

As a general rule, anything IRS announces on a Friday night is questionable, and they hope no one will notice it until Monday morning.  By then, there may be five newer problems and people won't have time for an old one. 

We can start debating which will last longer.  The IRS worksheet, or Governor Cuomo?

Level 2
March 14, 2021

Hi 

The IRS article refers to Line 7 and Line 8, and Line 8 on the tax form is "other income."  So where do we enter the exclusion amount in Pro-Connect?  Just go to "other income?"

Thanks.

Janet

abctax55
Level 15
March 14, 2021

You would go to *wherever* in the software that you need to in order to get the adjustment to show as a negative number on Sch 1, line 8.  The IRS isn't going to provided detailed instructions on how to get your software to work.

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