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Just-Lisa-Now-
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April 7, 2020
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Shares of stock as QCD, do I just do the math?

  • April 7, 2020
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TP transferred shares of stock to her church from her RMD. 

Wells Fargo sent letters showing the number of shares and the price per share on the date they were transferred...I just do the math for this as the QCD amount, right?

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Best answer by JeremyNJ

Your are thinking about this way too much.  It doesn't matter what is distributed from the IRA, cash or assets, the value of it is what is income, and that same value is what counts as a QCD if it goes to charity.  The brokerage firm gave you the description of what was distributed and that is what they used to calculate the income.   Use that as the QCD amount.  

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qbteachmt
Level 15
April 7, 2020

Wow; is this what happened:

There is no reason to send the shares as QCD, because the growth would not have been taxable to your client as gain, and there is no tax reason to do this as shares. Instead, as RMD, the entire amount is taxable income, so she could have had the shares sold and just sent the proceeds of the RMD to the church.

There also isn't any math to do, because there is no process for excluded gain on something that was in a deferred account and would be treated as income, not gain. You are not handling an Appreciated Asset.

You send shares when you want to shelter yourself from the Gain on appreciated stock price.

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Just-Lisa-Now-
Intuit Community Champion
April 7, 2020

She called me about this back last May ...asking if I could find basis for a couple of stocks she bought a long time ago, she had the month and year so I found the basis for her, she was worried about the gains ...then she told me it was in her IRA so I told her the gains wouldnt matter since it was in the IRA, she said she wanted to donate them to the church and I told her to just sell them and give the church the money, but then she brings me this.

So she doesn't get the QCD deduction, it would need to go on Sch A?  or does she get nothing out of this?

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IRonMaN
Level 15
April 7, 2020

Time to talk to the investment person that handled the fiasco.  If they put the value on the 1099R, they would have had to come up with some value to do so.  Also, she should have completed some paper work to do a QCD.  See if she or the investment guru has any paperwork.

Slava Ukraini!
Level 3
April 7, 2020

Yes, you do the math, shares times current share price.  You do not need to worry about the basis or anything.  The value of the shares was included in the 1099-R so you need to adjust the taxable amount for the QCD. While it might have been easier to sell the shares in the IRA and just distribute cash, there could have been a situation where in kind distribution made sense.  Maybe it was a thinly traded stock and a sale could have moved the market.

Just-Lisa-Now-
Intuit Community Champion
April 7, 2020
I like this answer! Im feeling like it conflicts with the info above though.....so now Im really confused.
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qbteachmt
Level 15
April 7, 2020

She gets QCD for the value as RMD; she lost any real Tax benefit.

This is why holding Stocks in an IRA isn't really the best strategy. You just turned gain into Income.

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BobKamman
Level 15
April 7, 2020

I think it was the client who was thinking way too much.  Outside the IRA, a gift of appreciated stock is better than selling and then giving cash.  From the IRA, just sell the stock and give cash -- don't put the burden of making the sale, on the church.