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MGC94
Level 7
May 4, 2022
Question

Income/Firm transparency

  • May 4, 2022
  • 8 replies
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How large is your firm?

How old is your firm? 

Gross receipts for 2022? 

How much do you make in the off season?

How many audits have you had? 

How much do you charge for 1040

1040x 

Schedule C

Schedule E

Schedule F

Scorp

Partnership 

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IRonMaN
Level 15
May 4, 2022

Are you doing a survey or what are you trying to get a handle on?

Slava Ukraini!
MGC94
MGC94Author
Level 7
May 4, 2022

Not a survey. Just wondering what other firms are like and prices 

BobKamman
Level 15
May 4, 2022

You go first.

MGC94
MGC94Author
Level 7
May 4, 2022

Me go first. Okay. Our firm is in our house. It's a home office. My grandmother did it herself until 2016 she had a stand-alone computer. In 2017 we started the networking. 

How large is your firm? 800 accounts

How old is your firm? 25 years

Gross receipts for 2022? 100,000

How much do you make in the off season? I charge for doing sales tax $30 a quarter. We also have other family businesses besides the office.  

How many audits have you had? 2 and won both 

How much do you charge for 1040? Cheapest $0 Kids around $25 Average $125

1040x $175 and sometimes discount to $75 or $0

Schedule C $25-$50

Schedule E $25-$50

Schedule F $25

Scorp $500

Partnership $400 

 

abctax55
Level 15
May 5, 2022

I can't even keep the lights/heat on for $ 125 per return....

HumanKind... Be Both
dascpa
Level 11
May 4, 2022

100,000 people. 100 years.  We don't charge, we do it because we're just having fun.

Do you really expect people to answer such personal questions?

And how exactly can you answer a question like how much do you charge for a 1040.  I'm sure in your practice every tax return is exactly the same so there is no variation.

Get real - no sarcasm......

 

MGC94
MGC94Author
Level 7
May 5, 2022

I saw a video where people responded to income transparency. I feel like I can be transparent. If you feel like you can't you do not have to answer. No sarcasm. 

 

I am trying to compare as I am learning and growing.

Just-Lisa-Now-
Intuit Community Champion
May 4, 2022

How large is your firm?   Just me and a PT receptionist for 10 weeks of the season

How old is your firm?  I went on my own back in 2015? I think

Gross receipts for 2022?  2022 isnt over yet, so I havent counted

How much do you make in the off season? I have no idea, I add up all my income in Jan the following year

How many audits have you had?  No formal audits. Ive seen some new preparers that consider any type of IRS correspondence asking for anything to be an 'audit'.....its not.

How much do you charge for anything....Depends on whats involved and whether I like working with that particular client, a PITA surcharge is incorporated into some client fees.

♪♫•*¨*•.¸¸♥Lisa♥¸¸.•*¨*•♫♪
BobKamman
Level 15
May 4, 2022

@Just-Lisa-Now-  I went on my own back"

Unfortunate phrasing

Just-Lisa-Now-
Intuit Community Champion
May 4, 2022

Congratulations, you just made it to my list of creepy guys. 🙄

♪♫•*¨*•.¸¸♥Lisa♥¸¸.•*¨*•♫♪
PATAX
Level 12
May 4, 2022

You forgot to ask: What brand of toilet paper is used in the office bathroom? 😉

MGC94
MGC94Author
Level 7
May 5, 2022

Feel free to start off with the questing PATAX

IRonMaN
Level 15
May 4, 2022

"Congratulations, you just made it to my list of creepy guys"

Ok, you got me curious -------- how long is that list?

Slava Ukraini!
ljr
Level 9
May 5, 2022

all I can say is WOW !

Pricing is also subjective to your location - you should add that question to your list

 

MGC94
MGC94Author
Level 7
May 5, 2022

You are right. That is a good question. Just like we live in a tourist area where people only work in the summer. I feel so fortunate my grandmom built this for us for something to do in the off season. 

 

 

Anyone else going to share their firm/income transparency 

IRonMaN
Level 15
May 5, 2022

"Since you are level 15, I am interested in hearing about your firm"

I started off working for a CPA firm that did quality work but was also known for its high prices.  Thirty years ago I started up doing my own thing.  That reputation of being expensive bothered me and I have over compensated over the years and work too cheap.  But preparing tax returns is just part of my gig.  We also do our fair share of auditing so I shift gears from tax to audit once that regular tax deadline hits.

Your thirst to find out what everyone else is doing doesn't really mean that much.  We all live in different areas and our clients often have different needs.  I could charge $25 for a tax return if I really wanted to and could probably make ends meet if I really needed to.  I live in a rural area and could probably live off the $25 return because I could fill up the freezer with fish and wild game instead of going to the grocery store.  Someone with a practice in downtown NY or LA aren't going to be able do that.  And besides, what are your real needs?  From dealing with clients over the years, I have learned that what someone considers a necessity changes as their income increases.  When you are making $25,000 a year, a new in '72 station wagon (with fake wood trim) is probably all you really need for transportation.  Someone making $250,000 could be thinking they wouldn't be caught dead in anything less than a brand new BMW.

So the moral of the story is, go do your thing and don't worry about what the other guy is doing.  I know years ago one of our competitors used to drive by our office at night to see if our lights were still on (his way of trying to determine how busy we were).  So do your thing and if your "thing" works for you I'll borrow from Nike and say "just do it".

Slava Ukraini!
BobKamman
Level 15
May 5, 2022

@IRonMaN  My observation is that there are two kinds of small business.  One does a business plan based on achieving a bottom line that yields the maximum profit for the amount of effort the owner is willing to contribute.  The other (us crazy people) slog along making enough money to pay the bills, trying to keep them as low as possible so to be sure to avoid the job market.  The worst thing to do is let your clients become friends, because who likes asking your friend for money?  That's why we should keep and nurture the PITA clients.  Where else would they go?  They came to you when the competition dropped them.  

IRonMaN
Level 15
May 5, 2022

But do we have to nurture them? 😀

Slava Ukraini!