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Level 4
January 25, 2022
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HOW IS PROSERIES HANDLING THE 8915-F CARRYOVER FROM 2020

  • January 25, 2022
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INTUIT HAS DECIDED NOT TO CARRYOVER THE INFORMATION ON THE 8915-E CARRYOVER TO 2021 AND 2022. WE ARE SUPPOSED TO REMEMBER AND INSERT IT ON THE SCHEDULE 1 OTHER INCOME.

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Camp1040
Level 10
January 25, 2022

The general consensus is to wait for proseries to release the form on 3/17 .

Level 4
January 26, 2022

Waiting for the form to file the tax return is a completely different topic than the failure of ProSeries to carryover the information at all. Let's see transfer it into a form that is flagged on the top "Form Not Final" like carryovers are handled in every other part of our software.

Get on the ball Intuit and get this going.

Level 6
January 27, 2022

@Olympus Tax  You have to understand - in their infinite wisdom they fired all the programmers, then they brought tax preparers who understand tax law.  Now they do the programming.  They either are terrible slow at it or they don't have enough.  With INTUIT my guess is they pay them substantially less than the corresponding programmers and they are giving them little training and there are way fewer of them.  They don't even do version control.  That is why the same error gets fixed, gets broken the same way again, gets fixed again (weeks later), get broken again the same way, etc.  They are not even smart enough to understand version control how can they be smart enough to get forms done on time?

Customer support is, in my opinion, in the bottom 10% of ALL us companies.

 

Dusty

Just-Lisa-Now-
Intuit Community Champion
January 25, 2022

Were waiting on the 8915F that will be used for 2021.   IRS hasnt even got it ready to go yet.

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Level 4
January 27, 2022

Lisa,

Completely unacceptable. get the draft copy in the program and mark it "draft form not final" as you do with all other delayed forms and transfer in the appropriate data. 

PROSERIES FAILS AT CUSTOMER SERVICE YEAR AFTER YEAR AND IT CONTINUES TO GET WORSE, GET IT TOGETHER AND GET THE JOB DONE.

Level 5
February 26, 2022

100% correct.  

Level 4
January 25, 2022

I completely realize that the IRS doesn't have the 8915-f ready yet however there is absolutely no reason that Intuit Proseries Professional support has no clue regarding this and their direction is completely inconsistent on the answers and there is no excuse for it not carrying over into this years program.

Just-Lisa-Now-
Intuit Community Champion
January 25, 2022
Completely new form, it's not like they can just grab last years and edit it for the new year.
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Slats
Level 5
March 7, 2022

Really? New? I don't think so. Look at 8915-A, B, C, D and the alphabet just keeps going. And, WHO else should have had it together if not the Service?  The "INFERNAL REVENOO SERVICE".  Ain't no Service in that entity for sure. 

dd4vols
Intuit Community Champion
January 25, 2022

 

"INTUIT HAS DECIDED NOT TO CARRYOVER THE INFORMATION ON THE 8915-E CARRYOVER TO 2021 AND 2022."

So, you talked to Intuit, and they said they had decided not to carryover the information????

I find that a little hard to believe, and as others have noted, the form isn't final until at least 3/17.  I have adequate concerns with Intuit every year....every year.  But I don't fault them for not being psychic. I suspect that no other software company has the new 8915-F available for filing.....because it's not even a final form at the IRS level.

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qbteachmt
Level 15
January 25, 2022

This is the first we've heard of this decision. That doesn't jive with the information Intuit has revealed in the Forms listings. Nor does it match how the other Form 8915s (-B, -C and -D, and -E last year) were handled. Who did you talk to that told you this? Can you post the link to where this is posted?

I've posted the links to the IRS draft forms page, where you can see the updated versions that are not released, and to the production forms page, where you can monitor what is released and which versions. I've also posted the links for the Intuit programs ProSeries, ProConnect and Lacerte forms, which all state this will be finalized March 17. Not being an efile form doesn't mean you handle it manually. It means the IRS expects the software providers to either supply it in an alternate data version (behind the scenes with the filing) or as a pdf form ("auto-generate"), neither of which is new.

And the programs are not yet updated for this.

If you know differently, let's confirm that as fact, not rumor. Thanks.

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abctax55
Level 15
January 26, 2022

From @Olympus Tax post on a different thread/same subject:

It is a great question and I just got off the phone with via chat with Victory in Tier 11 support and was informed that Intuit Pro Series Professional the software will not carryover the information. 

And we all know that support "never" provides erroneous info /S  (sorry, too busy to look for the sarcasm font :-).

@IntuitBettyJo @1569   - wanna' chime in here?  

 

HumanKind... Be Both
Level 15
January 26, 2022

@Olympus Tax wrote:

 AND INSERT IT ON THE SCHEDULE 1 OTHER INCOME.


 

No, you don't enter it as "other income".

February 2, 2022

For the latest on 8915 please take a look at this article: Generating Form 8915 in ProSeries
The article will be updated if we have new information. 

dd4vols
Intuit Community Champion
February 2, 2022

@1569     Do you think we could get a query for the 2020 ProSeries, to specifically find returns that had the 8915-E? My memory is not as good as it was yesterday, much less last year!  That, I promise would cure a lot of the ills caused by the 3/17/22 projected date. If I say "PLEASE", would that help?

 

 

 

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Level 7
February 2, 2022

I personally feel that the information is going to carry over from the previous year. But if I am wrong and it does not I am prepared to look at the  8915e from the 2020 tax return and punch in what ever informtion is needed onto the form 8915F for this year. I know that this can be done by looking at the rough draft of form 8915F as it appears on line. If that does not work then we are all screwed regarding 8915F and I have other ideas of what I will do.

Level 5
February 10, 2022

I spoke with a rep today. He assured me and update will be released this afternoon. He said this update would add 8915-F, which is where that distribution is reported(not as other income on SCH. 1), and that it would also transfer the info from last year over. We asked if this would be done with out us having to do another mass client transfer, and we were told the update will do everything, that we DO NOT need to do a 2nd transfer. Keep your fingers crossed, and check tomorrow.

Level 7
February 10, 2022

I sure hope you were not lied to. This afternoon shouldsure beat 3/31 date.

IRonMaN
Level 15
February 10, 2022

Based on everything we have been told up until now, that statement doesn't sound accurate.  But the good news is we don't have to worry about doing that welfare check on @rcooley25  today. 😉

Slava Ukraini!
Jim-from-Ohio
Intuit Community Champion
February 10, 2022

New client came in today.. looked at 2020 return.. they were picking up income 1/3, 1/3, 1/3.. i picked up the second 1/3 as other income.. done... income reported. 

Level 7
February 10, 2022

Without form 8915F how did you do it?

IRonMaN
Level 15
February 10, 2022

Sounds like he picked it up as other income.  That gets the return done, but that doesn't mean the client won't get a notice down the road.

Slava Ukraini!
Level 2
March 7, 2022

I just ran into this, needed to review last year client and forgot that we did the 3 year spread.

We need a query to see what clients this applied to instead of reviewing all of them since this is no carry over.  Wonder what other things like this are lurking out there?

Maybe it is time to move to Drake.

Level 7
March 7, 2022

There might be good reasons to move to Drake but this is not one of them. Have your clients bring in their copies of last year returns or if they are your repeating clients reprint last years return yourself. This is simply good business.

Level 2
March 7, 2022

After over 30 years, I am definitely leaving ProSeries. They are making us look stupid and pissing off my long time clients. First New Jersey wasn't ready, now the Foreign Tax Credit form and 8915 not even commenting on not carrying over the amounts automatically. They have all of the info from prior year and if we miss it, then we will be responsible for any penalties and interest.

 

Time to switch and it won't be to Lacerte so the same company can get more money from me.

30+ years and good bye, useless company that got too big.

John G in NJ

Slats
Level 5
March 7, 2022

It appears as if ProSeries and INTUIT in general are failing everywhere this year. I've looked on the TurboTax blogs and wow; the messages from users are mostly about how TurboTax took their funds, sometimes double-dipping, then either not transmitting the return, or coming back with demands that the individual "ante up" more money for additional services, in addition to any amendments. It appears that INTUIT has chosen to satisfy their shareholders at the expense of their customers.  Customer service has been outsourced, automatic updates of this "piss poor" program have disappeared, NO ONE at INTUIT is listening, or reading any of this, and they have failed to "proof" forms that other software providers have available. This is absolutely the poorest edition of ProSeries in my 26 years of experience with Intuit.  I don't know about other providers and how they flow or data input, compute, transmit, acknowledge, Ect.; however, I am assured that I will be contacting them and "test driving" their offerings. I have done the best I can by my clientele, and always look back at the previous year's filing to ensure there are no surprises, carryovers or other bits of information that may need follow up. It's damning that we should even be having discussions about failures on the part of Intuit instead of serving our client base well and faithfully. Still, IT IS the world we inhabit now. Customer Service is non-existant outside of individual service providers who rely on their expertise and still strive to work correctly with all they serve and service. I'll be ever so happy to see January 1, 2024, when the nightmare known now as the C.A.R.E.S. Act ends and we have gotten beyond all the stimulus questions, the carryovers on 8915, the Advance Child Tax credit, the U/E reconciliation of 2020, and then look forward to the changes of 2025 when the Tax Cut and Jobs Act expires..........What then??? In the interim, as consumers we can exercise our choice by voting with the only real tool we have, our financials. Maybe a loss of revenue will wake "corporate" up and maybe, just maybe they will see the error of their ways and turn again. Probably not. We are the "entitlement" and "drive through" society, order here, pick up there, I deserve to have all that; and "I got mine, to hell with yours".  I feel the pain of all professionals who strive to provide. I'm rowing that same boat, and seeing the rocks and shoals. Meanwhile............"Scouts out!" 

Level 5
March 7, 2022

Unfortunately it’s not just Intuit. We all understand that every program has its limitations and difficulties. I think it’s involved with cost-cutting.  I have said all along that there’s a disconnect between the programmers the support people and the end users. The support people are not as well trained as in the past. I always understand this type of employee  turnover and I don’t mind if someone doesn’t know an answer. Get back to me with an answer or get back to me with a fix. I think that is the biggest issue here. None of us mind if the form is going to take longer than another software program. Just let us know and then let us know why it will take this long. None of that is happening. The only issue is switching to another software is a pain in the butt. The carryovers the conversions etc. It’s not impossible but it’s a real headache when you have a lot of clients. That doesn’t mean it won’t happen it just means I’m going to think twice before I do it unless they make it impossible. Not quite there yet for me . But they are pushing it